Everybody breaks under torture. From Winston Smith to Jason
Bourne.
Torture would work on me, for example.
If somebody starts crushing my fingertips with a pair of
pliers, I’m going to tell them my ATM PIN, Batman’s secret identity, whatever.
But if you asked me where Bin Laden was, then I'm not the only person who has a problem.
Because I don't know where Bin Laden is, but if you think I do, and keep torturing me, you're going to get a lot of disinformation.

“Ticking time bombs”
do exist, I suppose, and perhaps once in a blue moon timely torture saves the
day.
But “ticking time bombs” are disproportionately invoked by
torture apologists to justify quotidian torture a.k.a. “enhanced interrogation
techniques” a.k.a. “coercive interrogation” a.k.a. “the third degree” as an
instrument of law enforcement/national security practice. And it’s pretty clear that routine torture
doesn’t yield good data, certainly not the "actionable intelligence unavailable by other means" that is torture's holy grail.
That’s because the martyrs and no-goodniks who expect to be
tortured develop countermeasures.
And because torturers usually go too far, out of stupidity,
sadism, or failing to make a careful plan to retrieve a discrete piece of
information. The weak signal—truthful information—is
often overwhelmed, almost instantaneously, by the noise generated by the
torturers’ poorly formulated questions and the victims’ disoriented responses. The response to this disappointing state of
affairs is often more torture, more bad data, more torture ad infinitum.
Somewhere, I know, there is a generously funded program
applying Claude Shannon’s information theory to optimize torture processes.
Of course, another reason to invoke the efficacy of torture is to jazz up TV and movie depictions of counter-terrorism operations. “24” and “Zero Dark Thirty” might get pretty draggy if they showed that successful interrogation usually involves endless cups of coffee and hours of tedious chitchat about some dirtbag’s boring family until the guy’s past loyalties are so far in the rearview mirror that he feels comfortable switching his allegiance to his captors.
When one views the fictionalized torture scene in Zero Dark Thirty, it should be recalled that the "torture gave us the intel" argument has been largely debunked.
Of course, another reason to invoke the efficacy of torture is to jazz up TV and movie depictions of counter-terrorism operations. “24” and “Zero Dark Thirty” might get pretty draggy if they showed that successful interrogation usually involves endless cups of coffee and hours of tedious chitchat about some dirtbag’s boring family until the guy’s past loyalties are so far in the rearview mirror that he feels comfortable switching his allegiance to his captors.
When one views the fictionalized torture scene in Zero Dark Thirty, it should be recalled that the "torture gave us the intel" argument has been largely debunked.
Also remember that KSM was waterboarded 183 times during the real life hunt for Bin Laden...
...while he was interrogated as to the location of Bin Laden...
...and he gave wildly conflicting replies...
...just like I would.
KSM testified:
…be under
questioning so many statement which been some of them I make up stories
just location UBL. Where is he? I don’t know. Then he torture me.
Then I said yes, he is in this area …

...he tells her she's got to talk to KSM at Guantanamo.
I see Terry Gilliam directing.
I’ve written on torture a few times, including an entire
print issue of Counterpunch on the issue of the Wickersham Commission, the
Hoover-era investigation that concluded that the third degree was
counterproductive, thereby laying the evidentiary foundation for the Miranda
ruling.
Here are a couple of pieces on torture that “worked” but
somehow “didn’t work” in KMT China and Bush-era Guantanamo.
Tuesday, July 28, 2009
Keeping Up With the Wickershams
I have an article in the current print edition of Counterpunch on the Wickersham Commission report on Lawlessness in Law Enforcement, under the pen name of Peter Lee.This article will provide enlightenment to anyone who ever wondered why the abusive apes in Dr. Seuss’s Horton Hears a Who were named the “Wickersham Brothers”.
More significantly, this report, prepared eight decades ago for Herbert Hoover by Harvard law professor Zechariah Chafee, the most distinguished guardian of civil rights in the first half of the twentieth century, anticipates and repudiates virtually all of the arguments in favor of—and abuses committed under the color of—“enhanced interrogation techniques” or, as they were known back in the Roaring Twenties, “the third degree”.
Chafee identified four reasons why beating people up to get information was a bad idea: false confessions, the corruption of police procedure as “fists trump wits”; the tainting of prosecutions; and the collapse of police reputation in the public eye.